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Witness says she "didn't think anyone would believe her' in Strampel's sixth day of trial

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Posted at 12:28 PM, Jun 07, 2019
and last updated 2019-06-07 12:28:48-04

LANSING, Mich. — Questioning of witnesses continued Friday, which marked Strampel's sixth day in trial.

Kimberly Anglin was the first witness to begin testifying. She told the court she first met Strampel at a conference at Shanty Creek Ski Resort back in 2004.

Anglin said that Strampel talked about the Clinical Skills Model job at the conference. She said he did tell her that it would be a full body exam in front of other students.

Unlike from what Dr. Scott testified to Thursday, Anglin said she did nothing in the on-boarding process for being a skills model such as orientation or filling out any paperwork.

Anglin said during her first exam, Strampel performed a full body exam on her, head to toe and, "everything in between." She said there were about 10 students looking on. She said that incident was the first of her 10 appearances for an exam.

She said some of the exams were just vitals, which paid less than full body exams. She also testified that she was also paid in cash by Strampel and then he would take her our to eat.

She said when they would go out to eat, it would just be the two of them. Anglin said they would eat food and drink alcohol.

Anglin then told the court about the last time she worked with Strampel. She said she witnessed the former dean acting as a skills model. She said the students had their choice of performing the final exam on a male or a female. She said one of the students picked to perform the exam on a male. She said during that exam, Strampel was looking at her the majority of the time.

Anglin said that Strampel took that student and Anglin into a private room. Anglin told the court she was not studying to be a doctor at all.
"He's the dean and I didn't see the benefits of me being in there with them," Anglin said.

Anglin testified that she watched as the student performed a full body exam while Strampel was naked. She said the student was a bit shaky and extremely nervous.

Anglin recalled one night when she was out for dinner and drinks with Strampel. She said he asked her if she noticed he wasn't performing exams on her. She said he told her it was because she got aroused. She said he said something along the lines of, "it makes me get hard."

Anglin said her thought process was, "he's the Dean, I guess it's okay."

Anglin recalled another incident where Strampel gave her raffle tickets to win a sport car. She said he told her that she would look sexy driving it.

She said that all 10 times she was paid for being a clinical skills model, she was paid in cash by Strampel.

Defense then stepped up for cross-examination. They asked her how much she got paid overall for being a skills model. She said she never worked for less than an hour and made more than $400 at one time. Total she said she could have earned as much as $2,000.

She said Strampel did not participate in half of the 10 exams she modeled for. She said only two of the 10 exams were done by Strampel. She said the remaining three were done by both Strampel and students. She said none of the exams were done without the presence of students.
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The next witness to take the stand was Terry Curry, associate provost for academic human resources at MSU.

Curry said that he was aware of the five-year reviews that they conduct with a dean. This comes as the court began gathering details about the hierarchy at the school.

Regarding a five-year review that happened in 2010, Curry said that there was an anonymous survey that went out to faculty, students, etc. He said they were then sent to the provost at the University. Curry said that there were negative reviews of a sexual nature in those surveys.

A memo was then shown in court that stated that Curry recommended how to fix the concerns on Strampel. It was stated in the memo that if he doesn't change his ways, Curry would recommend that Strampel be removed.

Another email stated that Strampel agreed to work with other colleagues to improve his behavior, although Curry said he was not aware that that was happening.

In regards to the 2014 Title IX investigation regarding Larry Nassar, Curry said he was aware of the requirements put on Nassar in order for him to return to work after his first suspension. He said he didn't remember when he found out, but said it was up to Strampel to follow up on that.

When defense stepped up for cross-examination, Strampel's 2010 review was brought up again.

Curry told the defense that not all of the reviews about Strampel were negative.
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The next witness up to testify was June Youatt, the provost at MSU.

In regards to a 2005 of Strampel, Youatt said she talked with about five people. She said she was made aware of some inappropriate sexual remarks made by Strampel. She said she didn't know if anything was done to correct that.

In regards to the 2010 review, Youatt said she did not take part in that review. She said she did take part in the 2015 review, however, where she was again made aware of some comments that indicated there had been sexual comments made. She said she spoke with Strampel after the review. She said she provided specific examples and he denied it as false comment.

She said he told her that he could ask his wife.

She said that she didn't speak to any students although some of the comments did come from them. She said she did talk with some women at the College of Medicine and said that they all did report to Strampel in some way.

When asked if she did anything to correct Strampel's behavior, Youatt said she only talked to him about it. She testified that she ultimately made a recommendation to keep him on as dean.

As the topic of questioning turned back to Nassar, Youatt said she knew that Nassar was under investigation in 2014, but that she did not know it was a Title IX investigation. She said she did learn about the recommendations placed on Nassar. She said she was part of his firing after he failed to follow those recommendations.

Youatt then told the court she had a conversation with Strampel. She told him he should resign even though she didn't think he had done anything wrong.

Defense stepped up and began clarifying details of the 2015 review of Strampel. Youatt told court that the comments in the 2015 review saying that Strampel said or did anything inappropriate were a very small percentage of total comments.

She also told the court that even though she was a mandatory Title IX reporter, she made no recommendation that there be one. She said she didn't know there was one going on.

She said she didn't recall hearing of any of the College of Medicine staff talking about Strampel's actions. She said she would have reported it if that was the case.

Youatt said that the "ultimatum" given to Strampel was based on a lot of things, including support given to Nassar via email. She said it's mostly to do with how he handled the Nassar situation. She said she didn't feel Strampel was enforcing enough on Nassar.

She also said that the decision to recommend resignation was partly influenced by Youatt's belief that the workload mixed with allegations of criminal sexual conduct would be too much, given that Strampel had suffered a stroke earlier.

The court took a recess.
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Once court was back in session, the topic of questioning focused on a time where Youatt spoke with Terry Jackson, the father of the trial's first witness, Leah.

When prosecution stepped up to redirect, Youatt said she contact the Title IX office after the conversation with Jackson. She said that she thought the Title IX investigation on Strampel was started as a result.

This ended Youatt's testimony.
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The next witness to take the stand asked not to be filmed.

She was a former reserve 2nd Lieutenant in the Army while she was in medical school from 1984 to 1993. She said she first knew about Strampel when he was her attending in the intensive care unit while she was an intern. She said he was a Lieutenant Colonel.

It was later learned that Strampel was an attending physician at that time.

The witness recalled one instance where Strampel had told her about how many women he had slept with. She said she took that as a threat and told him that she, "would not be one of them."

She said after that conversation, he changed his attitude toward her, "it was a very uncomfortable month." She said he made jokes about her and tried to make her feel stupid.

She said at the end of the month, he gave her an evaluation that was so bad she had to retake that month's internship.

The witness testified that she hadn't failed anything before. She said she didn't tell anyone about the incident until years later, while she was finishing her allergy fellowship. She said she thought that no one would believe her.

The witness said that when she learned of his arrest, she said she felt like she was reliving that month.

"It felt like all the air got sucked out of the room," the witness said.

Defense then stepped up for cross-examination.

In regards to her interaction with Strampel, the witness said the behavior shown would have been forbidden. She said she didn't report it because of the, "code of silence."

"Suck it up and deal," the witness said. "That was the atmosphere for the most of us women officers."

She said her code of conduct stated that if she witnesses a violation of any sort, she had to report it. She testified that she didn't.

Questioning for the witness finished.
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Strampel is accused of sexually assaulting women and misconduct in office.

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